5 Day Pouch Test


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By Jim - 8/5/2011 9:14:53 AM
I've had a few people ask about the 5 Day Pouch Test.  Here are the basics:

The 5-Day Pouch Test is a program we use to get ourselves back into proper eating habits.

Here is the basic idea:

Days One & Two: Liquid Protein
low-carb protein shakes, broth, clear or cream soups, sugar-free gelatin and pudding. 

Day 3: Soft Protien
canned fish (tuna or salmon) eggs, fresh soft fish (tilapia, sole, orange roughy.

Day 4: Firm Protein
ground meat (turkey, beef, chicken, lamb), shellfish, scallops, lobster, fresh salmon or halibut.

Day 5: Solid Protein
white meat poultry, beef steak, pork, lamb, wild game. 

The progarm is outlined here, along with recipe ideas and more:

http://www.5daypouchtest.com/
By Nadia - 8/5/2011 4:20:40 PM
Radio Man,  Thanks for sharing the 5 day pouch test and recipes.  I printed the information and placed it in a folder just in case I would ever need it.
By tinalouise - 8/10/2011 10:34:48 AM
Thanks, RadioMan, for sharing this information! I've bookmarked the site so I can read more later. It looks like a very informative site.  Smile
thanks again! Hope to see you at the support meeting!
Tina
By Jim - 6/5/2012 9:36:45 AM
I'm back to doing this again.  Day 1 today--doing great!  I got some Carnation Instant Breakfast--has protein.  Unfortuantely, they didn't have the sugar-free version, so I got the one with sugar for now.  I'll have to try one of the other stores in our area, although most don't carry the sugar-free version either.  Maybe I'll have to order it online. 
By Nadia - 6/6/2012 9:34:16 AM
Radio Man, How is your pouch test going today?
By MamaBear2_6 - 6/7/2012 5:33:47 AM
Jim, Carnation does put out a "No-Sugar Added" Essentials (it comes in a blue box/container rather than the yellow) and I've seen it at Redners if you have one by you.  I'm not sure how much sugar is in it but it may be lower than the regular one.

Good luck. I'm so glad you are getting back to the program and wish you all the best.  Thank you also for the information. I shall make sure I keep it handy.

Are you going to be able to meet at Trexler Park for the June meeting?
By Jim - 6/8/2012 4:50:18 AM
Yes, I usually can get the no-sugar version at the store near where I work.  Just this time they didn't have it. 

I did okay until that night, then I went off it completely. I'm going to restart it next week on Monday.
By Nadia - 6/8/2012 11:58:35 AM
If I ever get hungry in the evening or night and to make sure that I do not eat or snack, I waterload or I go to bed. 

Sometimes our bodies mistake tiredness for wanting to eat.  By going to sleep, I wake up the next day feeling great fully rested and without the regret that I ate something.

Something to think about.....
By Nadia - 6/11/2012 12:55:30 PM
After reading about the 5 day pouch test on this bariatric forum, I wanted to read what other health/bariatric professionals said about the validity of this test and whether it really works or not...  I am a skeptic at heart and always like to challenge the authorities.  I hope that I do not offend anyone with my posting.  That is not my intention.  I want to cerebrally challenge the intellects of our readers.  I think that people need to hear all sides of the story before making their minds up about weight loss tests.  So here are some findings that I have read about:

One bariatric dietitian wrote that she read medical reports stating that the size of the pouch did not dictate weight loss.  That it was indeed the BEHAVIOR the person adapted that contributed to the weight loss or lack of weight loss.

Other discoveries stated that even patients with larger pouches did better than some patients with smaller pouches.  It was based on their adherence to the rules of bariatrics or returning to the basics in behavior modification.

Other studies shown that the size of the hole at the bottom of the stoma connecting to the bowel can also affect weight loss if the hole there was smaller.

All of the studies promoted getting to the basics and behavior modification---portion control and daily exercise.
By diver989 - 6/11/2012 5:05:00 PM
Thanks Nadia for posting your findings. I currently have started seeing the scale start upwards again. I will be doing the 5 day to get myself back into the rhythm of being compliant again.

Lots of stress here and less activity have caused me to see the scale move back up a little.

For those that remember me, I am involved with Teener League baseball and this year I returned to college at 46. The stress of school and the other positions I hold with baseball, church and other organizations have caused me to forget about myself and I started back on my poor eating habits again.

I have to get those ole bariatric rules out again and re-internalize them again.

The problem I have found is, all my bari-friends have now faded away. I have tried to resurrect the group, but everytime it is very short lived. This is why I returned back here. I need like minded friends and I miss being accountable amongst friends!

Good luck Jim on your 5 day. I am hoping to start Monday. I just have to get stuff in to do it.
By MamaBear2_6 - 6/11/2012 5:56:15 PM
Bill I have not been out of surgery for long I only had the surgery January 9, 2012 but I can already tell that if I am stressed I will eat.  Since I know this about myself I have to be diligent and just plain not eat unless it is at meal time.

I took my daughter to college for an overnight stay today and I am having a horrible time with the stress.  I know I must let my kids grow up and I'm all for that but I just don't like the idea of them leaving... so... I feel like I want to eat.  Again, now that I know this about myself I have to be extra diligent and I am trying my best even if I do want something, it is not junk or eating more than I should be.

I like the idea of the pouch test, not simply to find out if the pouch is still working but reading the material it seems that it will kick start a program and that to me is always helpful.

Good luck Bill and I am sure those on this board will always be around, I have gotten a great deal of help and love the support that is available.  The meetings help too.  I've not gone to one but plan on it for June as we are walking and that is a good thing.
By Nadia - 6/12/2012 1:10:35 AM
Bill, Good luck to you.  I hope that the 5 day pouch test works well for you.  It is good to hear about your happenings.  Thank you for posting.

I think the further post op we are, the motivation to keep it fresh lingers.  We used to get so many compliments for our "new" post RNY body and now people have gotten used to how we look and the compliments diminish a bit.  So now our new routine becomes our new old routine.   In some cases, we have gotten lax about following the rules for life.   To keep it fresh takes some effort. 

A cleansing of sorts is good.  A returning to the basics re-start is good.

What is difficult but achieveable: 

1.  Strictness with portion control and no snacking.

2.  Lots of activity (mobility) outside of the required exercise so that the body burns the fat. 

3.  30-60 rule for eating and drinking.  So that our meals do not get watered down, but actually stay in the stomach filling us up nutritionally.

4.  Behavior modification, journaling our food and exercise.

5.  Attendance at support group to get back on track when we feel like we are failing or going off the deep end.
By Jim - 6/18/2012 11:38:16 AM
I agree, Nadia.  I know this pouch test helps to try to get back in the swing of things.  But if I don't have the right motivation, I just end up going back to the way I've been doing things, which I find that I always end up doing.  The 5-day test takes alot of discipline, and I acknowledge that I am pathetically lacking in that department.  That's why I gained back some of the weight.  I'm still about 140 pounds less than before the surgery, so I haven't gained any more back that around 60 pounds.  Still, I wish I could convince myself to get the weight off again. 

Sometimes I think that allowing this stuff to happen is a form of suicide--I know that eating these things is bad for me, yet I can't convince myself to stop.  The info is there, I know I should not, yet I do anyway.  I know I have high blood pressure, problems with my legs, yet I still keep eating things I should not.  I guess I should have gone to a psychologist before the surgery like some doctors require. 

Ah, well.  We'll keep trying!
By Nadia - 6/18/2012 1:16:08 PM
Radio Man,  Please keep on trying for your sake and ours.  We care about you and we want you to succeed.  A 140 pound loss is good, but I bet that you can be completely pill free from hypertension and other ailments if you exercise everyday no matter what until you sweat and eat  1 cup portions and no snacking except for a protein shake or two. 

There is nothing wrong with going to psychologist for help either if you are uncertain why certain problems keep reoccurring.  I plan to go this summer to work out some self-esteem problems that creep up occasionally.  You see the bariatric surgeons work on our bodies but not on our minds.

A therapist can help to discover the underlying feelings of emotional eating.  It is subconscious. 

Anyway Radio Man, I want you to know that I am batting for you.  When I write my skeptical comments, it is just a matter of inquiry.  In higher education,  we always question everything and test and test and hypothesize.  It is a part of our makeup or being.
By MamaBear2_6 - 6/19/2012 3:26:31 AM
Bill I completely agree about the stress. I went back to school in 2006 and am now working on my Ph.D. and I worry about eating too much but I am only 6 months out so I am hoping that I don't have to worry about the weight gain due to stress yet.  I won't be done with my Ph.D. until 2016 or so and then I will definitely have to worry since I will be well out of the honeymoon phase...

Jim, there is nothing wrong with going to therapy... and maybe having a support group that can boost you up when you are just not there yourself.  I don't post a great deal, I don't attend meetings much, but it is important to know I have someone around who is rooting for me and this is what we do here... we are all in the same place, at one time or another, which is why we opted for surgery to help us... lean on us if you can't anyone else, make time to meet up. The walk in Trexler park was nice but we don't need to wait for Meghan or anyone else to set up a time and place for us to meet... we can do that on our own... give someone a call, ask them to meet you, remember... while we have people around us, this is still our journey and we have to make the best of it, regardless of the knowledge we have, so let someone else help if they can... we don't have to do this on our own.
By Nadia - 6/19/2012 6:46:58 AM
Marcey, What is your course of study for the PhD?  Just curious.

My DA (Doctor of Arts) is in Music Performance/Music Education from Ball State University in Muncie, Indiana in 1996.  I wrote a doctoral dissertation entitled THE LEGACY OF ZINKA MILANOV (historical chonological study of the life of opera singer Zinka Milanov), and perfomed, as well as, lectured 2 doctoral recitals on Verdi heroines Aida and Desdemona.  My second love is Psychology.  Even though I did not major or minor in it, I took many Psychology/Education classes and am always reading Psychology and Running books.
By MamaBear2_6 - 6/19/2012 10:19:15 AM
Nadia, currently I am enrolled in Educational Leadership. This program however, is geared toward secondary (high school) age and I believe I may want to change it to the Higher Educational system.

My undergrad is in psychology as well as social and criminal justice. I had a dual major...
By Nadia - 6/20/2012 1:09:50 AM
Mama Bear, You are correct in saying that we can organize our own walks and support.  It is great that Meghan organized it for our bariatric support group, but there is no reason why we can't email or call each other and make arrangements to meet and walk.